I'm unsure if this behaviour is intended or not… but click on my user profile below:
Notice how a window comes up? It's like a mini profile window, and includes useful information about the user, such as how long they've been with Wikidot and that site, and their role within the site (Administrator or Moderator). One of the links in this window is "Profile page".
Now when you turn on site-based profiles (under "Site Branding" in the admin:manage tool), clicking on a user's profile no longer brings up this window, instead taking you to the user's profile on the site.
This seems like undesired behaviour… shouldn't the user's usual window pop up instead? And then if you click on "Profile page" it takes you to the user's profile page on the site (instead of Wikidot).
Perhaps this upcoming behaviour should be "more explained" in the site branding manager page ?
A "warning" would be useful!
It is a hard work to stop the creation of all the automatic profile: pages…( and to delete them )
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Yes. There should be a better explanation of this. I made the naive assumption that some of the profile information would be pulled into the "branded" profile pages, for instance, after all, an empty page is not a profile and NONE of my users will know what in the world to do with those pages, leaving me with the complicated task of trying to figure out how to give them something to fill out..plus the absense of the popup window which cuts off the users from all sorts of pertinent information like recent contributions and, well, everything.
BTW, I do want to reiterate that no average person would assume that a "profile page" would be a blank page. They would assume that it would contain informational elements added when the person joined the site/wikidot. A blank page is just a blank page, not a profile page, as such a page by connotation is assumed to contain some type of structure like a form to fill out to build a profile and other pertinent information. So the warning should be present, at least, to prevent people having to delete hundreds of pages manually, which I am now doing.
There was a project on projects.wikidot.com. Per-site profile pages was implemented on the basis of this design. We could change this functionality of wikidot if you help us create new (better/consistant/more suited to the needs) design.
Bartłomiej Bąkowski @ Wikidot Inc.
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I will help! I have an idea that utilises already existing technologies in Wikidot.
How do I go about helping you?
@TeRq, here is a screenshot of a working Data Form designed for this:
The :_template code is the following:
The idea is that enabling Site Branding will automatically generate a user:_template page with the above Data Form code.
Then when the user profiles are created, the forms are automatically filled out to mirror their Wikidot profile at the time.
In this way, the "Windowed Profile" will pull data from the Site Branding instead of the Wikidot profile. Then, if the user clicks on "View Profile", it will transport the user to their Site Branded profile page.
Thoughts?
There are 2 problems with the site profiles at the momentt:
i would prefer a mix of the 2 - including the general user:info at the start and than the site profile..
( or make it collapsibl with a good explaination…)
and the other content of the site profile ( as james has started the idea - collection above…
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It's a great idea to scrap user information and use it to create Site Profile pages, but we will not use it back to create User info popup (as everyone can edit _template with DataForm definition). We could use User info as for every wikidot page and link Profile page (from this popup) to site Profile Page not to a global one.
Does it suit for your needs?
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Yes! That would be heaps better than how it works at the moment!
You should absolutely retain the User info popup and make the Profile page link to the Site profile :)
If pulling information from the DataForm is an issue because everybody can modify the :_template page… then perhaps we could get around this by specifying the DataForm under the "Site Branding" in the Administration panel… and on the :_template page, have a [[module SiteBranding]] which would "include" this information.
However perhaps I can make a wish to customise the User Info popup?
James that would be great. Thanks so much for lending your hand. I love your form and if this pulled information to fill out the form, like you suggested, we'd be golden. That is exactly the kind of thing I had in mind but of course not a clue how to implement. It is a great potential feature and I really appreciate the thought behind it, but without such a function as you have described, I think that the average user (the ones you never hear from!) would not find it useable.
Not sure TeReq: if I can than EASY surf to the "global" profile page - than this is fine ( where is than the link to it?)
if not - than we have the same behaviour as now - I have to go over the big search function on the main screen to find the global "user:info" page.. (or I have to copy the user-name on a new adress bar..)
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@ Helmuti, what you want is exactly what TeRq is describing… where you use the phrase "global profile page", TeRq calls the same thing the "User profile popup window".
So what TeRq's suggesting IS indeed clicking on a user profile, and seeing the global pop up window (which is labeled "User info" you will notice). He is asking us when you see the global pop up, if we should change the "Profile page" link to go to the site's profile page, instead of www.wikidot.com/user:page (which is what we want, really).
This is misunderstanding for me !
What do you mean with "which is what we want, really" ? - the site profile or the wikidot.com/user:info/ page?
My question is exact this link on the popup window - where - to which page should it really go?
In my oppinion we loose the possibility to surf in an easy way to the global overview of the user:info page if that link goes to the site profiles
Or we have a possibility on the site profiles to include this global user:info/page (or a link to it).
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As I see there is no simple solution which will be sweated for all your needs. You guys need to remember that site branding and site branded profile pages was created to "hide wikidot" and customize the site. So if someone want to "hide wikidot" and brand their site we should not to force him to link to a global profile.
You may create a visual representation of data form created by
James Kanjo. We could use it as the default per site profile pages representation of that data form. It may contain a link to global profile pages (using module user).
Do you want to create such representation ??
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ok, I can remeber - that was the start of the project - to hide wikidot in any form… but now this result is forgotten i believe.. :)
Yes, this is exact what we need!
The decision to link to "global profile pages" inside the site profiles lies than by the admin - to use it in the site user:_template - with or without such dataform standards like James has build.
But - I have a question - how or what is the "module user" ? ( I cannot find any description..)
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TeRq, you make a good point.
In that case, when activating the Site Branding, could we have an additional option in the Administration Module:
@Helmuti_pdorf ListUsers Module, but its not a good idea, it shows only current logged in user… ME :}
@James Kanjo good idea, let it to be YES by default, maybe a checkbox:
We can add user unix name to some hidden field, but it will fail after someone change his user name, is it acceptable?
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@TeRq, I think checked by default is a great idea!
Not sure what you mean here… What would fail?
1) we will scrap user name (unix_name) to site profile page
2) user change his Name (unix_name)
3) then (unix_name) inside profile page will be invalid
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@ TeRq, is that really a problem though? User profiles are linked by Wikidot ID, not by UNIX name… so even if the user changes his/her name, the only discrepancy is the title of the user's profile page.
@James Kanjo
global profile uses (unix_name) http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/terq,
per site profile is not an issue, but the link we want to create inside per site profile which will leed to global profile and which will be broken after user change his name.
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Oh, that's what you mean. Perhaps you need to create a redirect tool on the www site. For example:
Which would query the Wikidot ID and redirect to the appropriate user page:
Done, if you have any feedback/ideas about new Per Site Profiles please write.
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